"guess since im a white man im not allowed to have opinions"
your opinions have shaped the world we live in today not being catered to for 83.9 seconds will not fuckin kill you
Yeah let’s go tell this gem to a (white) irishman who lived in northen ireland…
No. Excuse me, but are you seriously saying that there is a racism that is more racism than another one? Because what I was trying to say is that being white does not automatically mean that I am protected from aggressions, death threats and inequality, as (maybe I am wrong) you said.
For example, if you are a WHITE MALE Rumanian in Italy you are seriously threatened not only by ignorant people that accuse (and often beat you to death) you of stealing jobs/wives/things from their houses, but also by politicians and an entire POLITICAL PARTY (Lega Nord, google that shitty example of wasted money and political activity) that constantly tries to accuse Rumanian of pretty much everything that is wrong in my country (jsyk, I am Italian and not Rumanian, so I am pretty much objective about this). Now, please, don’t tell me that “they are not hated because they are white but because they are from Romania”, because I cannot see the difference between being hated because of the colour of your skin or being hated because you were born somewhere. I am not talking about religion or cultures, here. And, btw, the examples I wrote before are still valid nowadays, Irishmen are still object of racism (you like GOT, go check some interviews of my beloved Liam Cunningham, he has some pretty shits to say about this), Cypriotes are still living in a absurd and dangerous situation, and so fucking on.
Of course, the one I write is was just an example, so don’t tell me “that is one case against 83423728748”, because since i DO KNOW the history of the world, I can assure you that I could do a couple of dozen more examples (Jesus Christ, citizens of the former Yugoslavia are called Slavs because they were all SLAVES in ancient/medieval/modern and I’d dare saying contemporary history as well, how is this different from African slavery? I can assure you that Slavs suffers some pretty heavy shits still today) showing that the problem of the world is not the white supremacy, but a certain kind of white people supremacy.
What I was saying before is that I am sick of reading hate on the general white people, because white people (as my poor six examples tried to were trying to show, but apparently they were not effective enough), because are composed by a variety of kinds that suffers exactly (and for the same reasons) like black people (or asian or whatever, of course).
What it is correct to say, since tumblr is trying to become the land of politically correct, and what it SHOULD be in a wonderful world, should be “i don’t care if you are white/black/yellow/green: do say your opinion, because it is as valid as mine”.
Being racist against white people does not help coloured people reaching the equality they MUST reach. Being racist against white people to prove a point is just plain stupid, but hey maybe I should just stfu since I am white.
You are purposefully misunderstanding everything I’ve said.
I’ve said that there’s a difference between being oppressed while being white, and being oppressed for being white. They are not the same thing. Racism against white people does not exist because no one is prosecuted solely for being white. There were all other factors that were the main source of oppression for each and every single one of the examples you’ve listed.
But frankly I’m not surprised, as you casually use the racist term “coloured people”, advocate for “color-blindness” (a racist notion white people came up with that insists we ignore someone’s racial identity in order to respect them, instead of respecting that one’s racial identity vastly shapes the way a person lives in society and sees the world), downplay the chattel slavery African slaves went through (seriously, google “chattel slavery” and maybe you’ll see why it’s ignorant to compare that particular kind of slavery to any other).
The fact that you apparently can’t tell the difference between racial bigotry and nationality-based bigotry says a lot about this whole conversation, actually. A black man is black no matter where he lives, and will be called racial slurs like the N word in Ireland and in the United States, and while it’s unfair an Irishman can leave Ireland and live in an entirely new country where being a former Irishman little to no impact on how people treat him. It’s not fair that he should have to leave, it’s not fair he should have to be treated that way, but it’s still an option he has—black people don’t have the option of not being black, and anti-blackness has spread throughout the entire world.
And I certainly never said white people are never ever subject to any kind of oppression. That would be stupid, and you’re putting words in my mouth to have a debate that no one ever started. The bottom line is, being white in and of itself is not the basis for one’s oppression. If I am oppressed, it’s because I’m a woman, not because I’m a white woman. Bravo for you to briefly admitting intersectionality exists, because it certainly does, but to insist that there is a conspiracy to undermine and oppress white people so that the politically correct denizens of tumblr can make fun of white people or whatever it is you originally objected to, is a willful misunderstanding of the entire argument I wrote out and until you can actually comprehend what it is I’m saying, going any further is a waste of time.
(On a related note, are people who are Rumanian and of mixed race/visibly not white exempt from the oppression you mentioned? Are women Rumanians exempt? Are white male Rumanians targeted over anyone else in all circumstances, specifically for being white and male while also Rumanian? Are there privileges that POC Rumanians enjoy that white male Rumanians do not? If not, then you might want to reevaluate your argument.)
Actually yes, a Rumanian is discriminated because of the colour of his skin, not because of his nationality. Because, exactly like someone black in the USA, I can see he is not Italian so I bash him (since I have to specify every single fuckery, with bash I intend: beat him until he no longer breath).
In Europe there is a different conception of black/white: probably I am wrong, but from what I understand in America there are these two clearly differentiated categories because of his history. In America I don’t think that the level of “whiteness” is a big deal, here it is. In Europe we DO distinguish a variety of “white”, in the Balkans in the 90s they fought a war between two etnies because they accused each others of “not being white enough”, so in my examples the colour of the skin is pretty relevant, and yes in some of them more than the nationality/culture/religion. When I say that Americans tend to apply their point of view on everything I mean that they are, on this matter, trying to force their “division” white/black that has been caused by the forced immigration of black slaves and therefore is not perfectly applying to an area, Europe, that has a completely different history. Again: I am not defending the conception, but what is generally white for an american IT IS NOT for an European.
I’d like to clear that I am NOT undermining the fact that if you are black you have to work harder and for a lower wage, that if you are black and live in a nation that has death penalty you have more unluckly chances to be killed by “the law” just because you are an easy target and jesus christ I am not a white person that tries to say that white people are poor misunderstood citizen of the world. What I am saying is that even the racism against black people is different in Europe than in America and that it is wrong to apply everywhere a category to value a reality that is valid only in America. Racism against black people does exist, of course, but it must be juxtapose with another form of racism that yes, still has to do with the colour of the skin and that is not such a big deal in America as it is here.
Then what you’re saying is that the bigotry arises when one group of people is not seen as white—that undermines the whole premise that white people can be targeted for being white, which was entirely my point.
Race is by no means more a simpler subject here in the states than in Europe. In fact, the same pattern of “othering” a group of people can be found in both regions—in the US, the Irish used to be discriminated against on the basis of nationality, and gradually that othering gave way when Irish came to be seen as “white” enough (in comparison to black people/immigrants of color). The Roma have always been othered throughout Europe as not white, yet white bloggers (especially in the US) love to use them as an example of white people oppressed due to their “whiteness” (generally meaning only light-skinned Roma) when historically and even today in Europe, the exact same practice of othering labels them as “not white”.
So to rehash—I’ve never said people who are white cannot face oppression, just that the oppression they face never arises because of their whiteness. What you’re saying supports that—the oppressed is always “othered” to the point where they’re not “white” enough.
So excuse me if I’m not sure why you’re not aggreeing with me on the fact that, no matter where you are—that whiteness, being white, being seen as white—is a privilege. It’s why off-the-cuff statements like “well I’m white so I guess i should just stfu” that try to ignore that privilege infuriate me, because literally no one is say that white people everywhere are immune from bigotry or prosecution. The post that sparked this whole debate was specifically talking about white people who downplay the oppression of people of color on this website by pretending to be oppressed simply by virtue of being white while white supremacy is criticized. That’s it. Balkans and Slavs and Rumanians had nothing to do with it; it wasn’t an American attempt to impose an oversimplified white/black race binary on the rest of the world. It was a post about the overblown fake oppression white bloggers on this websitewhine about and the white supremacy (which is ultimately the root of the conflicts you listed anyway, no matter how you define whiteness) that proves those whiny bloggers are full of shit.
I understand that there are complicated intersections of race and whiteness and how race is perceived as white or not in Europe, but a post from a blogger of color simply talking about her experiences on this website wasn’t the place to talk about it. It was derailment and ultimately more harmful than helpful.
It’s funny how people will suddenly give a shit about the Roma when it comes to discussing white supremacy, as if their oppression is proof that white people are oppressed for being white, when historically and even today the Roma aren’t considered white in Europe.
(the first anti-Romani legislation recorded: the British Egyptians Act of 1530. In the act, the English Parliament coded into law the expulsion of the “outlandish people calling themselves Egyptians”. As in, people believed the Roma came from Egypt because of their darker skin coupled with the propaganda that Africa was the rightful source of chattel slavery…Roma are only considered white when someone wants to insist white people are oppressed, too.)
when i wander outside of tumblr and read comments on any topic about race i feel so anxious and tiny. like there are so many voices that HATE people like me. and who aren’t afraid to say it. especially on the internet.
and it makes me laugh when i see white people on this site talking about how not-safe they feel on tumblr. like imagine what you MAYBE feel on tumblr, magnified, and then apply it to almost every facet of your life.
it’s overwhelming and terrifying
"racist against white people"
jesus, just unfollow me already.